From a safety point of view, I don''t have an issue with the swerve test. What I do have a problem with is the fact that the requirements are the same regardless of conditions.  This has to be wrong and as with many issues related to "test standards" those in the DSA that decide on these things clearly have not thought hard enough about this.                                                                                                                                                                             

TeeCee,will def look into the possability of setting up at least the swerve part at the rally,could be very interesting to see how many experianced riders manage it   Tickets on sale now by the way,see events                                                                                                                                                                             

I have to agree with both TC and Geoff, if that makes sense   The more experienced the rider is in a "variety" of conditions, the better prepared they will be for "unexpected" events/hazards. As an "EX" instructor, I will watch this thread with interest and post my 2 pennorth later Em                                                                                                                                                                              

As far as i can make out the practical part of the test has'nt changed much at all over the last 30yrs or so , what has changed a lot is the written test / monkey puzzle... due to new road laws , signage and various conditions .                                                                                                                                                                              

Must admit, I''m all for the swerve to be included.  As Shell has said, it''s posible on a 125, it was just a matter of a slight clip, and this is from a girl with a messed up shoulder and painful ankle still. I''d love to try it, but know that I have successfully done it 2-up on a bandit 1250 at over 30mph when a dog (Sorry, Un Chien) ran out at us (more than once) in France, and therefore know that it''s a very valid manouver to be familiar with. Anone who has ridden the A62 from Huddersfield to Oldham, the A57 Snake Pass or any other country road where the sheep have done a "great escape" through the fence will understand. And, no, I don''t do 15mph over Snake Pass in the wet...                                                                                                                                                                             

Yeah I remember cute lil doggie watching the road then all of a sudden Cujo is running towards us, boy was I glad you managed it !                                                                                                                                                                             

And, no, I don''''t do 15mph over Snake Pass in the wet...  ...and I should think not - slow down u maniac!                                                                                                                                                                              

WTF is Cujo?   D... O... G...   Next week children, we'll be trying to spell C...A...T...!!!                                                                                                                                                                                

ok , now bear with me everyone while I enter Mr P''s spreadsheet mentality (birthday or not is gonna get it in a min)   From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cujo (1981) is a psychological horror novel by Stephen King. It was made into a film of the same name in 1983. The story focuses on the Trenton family: Vic, an advert designer, his adulterous wife Donna, and their four-year-old son Tad. The latter two are terrorized by the eponymous Cujo, a rabid St. Bernard dog. The narrative takes place in the author''s recurrent fictional town of Castle Rock, Maine, and is interspersed with vignettes from the seemingly mundane lives of other residents. There are no official chapters, but rather breaks in between passages, which indicate when the author is alternating to a different point of view.                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                             

Every day I learn sumfing new....                                                                                                                                                                              

And every day you forget sumfink you learned yesterday   Senior moments TC   Ask TM he knows all about it   Put me straight once or twice   Or was it 3 times       What were we on about                                                                                                                                                                              

TM? - he still conscious?                                                                                                                                                                             

Think he's recoverin ? or still on his hols   If not he's remarkably quiet                                                                                                                                                                              

Sshhh - let''s not spoil a good thing!                                                                                                                                                                              

I think his subscription has run out.   I miss the little dancer....                                                                                                                                                                              

      Thats not what you called him before                                                                                                                                                                              

getting back to the swervw test, and i will probably my face chewed off but...when we are out on our bikes , and see a manhole cover etc, even at 30mph plus, dont we all sometimes swerve to avoid it, i know i do, so is the swerve test just the same ????                                                                                                                                                                             

whats next leg protectors ?any more petty b.s.ive never done 15 mph far too slow bike would fall over!!                                                                                                                                                                             

Yeh - if u canna do the swerve, wot u gonna do in real life?   The swerve may be a tad harsh, but so is reality.