Thanks Big Al. By the by, I watched the video. Good stuff.
                                                                                                                                                                             

Thanks bandit lover                                                                                                                                                                             

Cool.  Well done mate.  RoSPA now?                                                                                                                                                                             

Thanks geoffb2005. I’ve heard of the RoSPA before but haven’t looked into it. I mentioned it to a colleague yesterday and as well as discussing other courses, he went on saying I’ll end up riding like the Police.
But I don’t think that’s a bad thing.                                                                                                                                                                             

Ha ha - well it is true Weepiobair that most RoSPA courses are run by coppers, many of whom are Police instructors and examiners.  So in many ways you do end up riding like the Police.

But that certainly doesn't mean you can't have fun still, just hopefully that you'll stay alive a lot longer whilst doing so lol!!

Just don't think that their instruction is exactly the same as the instruction they give other coppers ... now we have to stick to the law under instruction!!  It wasn't always like that mind!  I can still remember hearing a little voice in my ear that regularly would say things like "What are we hanging around for, long straight road, no junctions, no traffic, excellent visibility, so let's get to the other end!"  At which point I'd glance at my speedo to see that we're already doing a ton lol!!!

But their instruction is very good, is aimed at making progress safely (as is all advanced instruction of course), but they have the advantage of knowing exactly what causes motorcycle accidents and are able to tailor training accordingly.

So, although it is possible that it makes you ride like a copper in some ways, it doesn't in many others I am certain.  They do encourage an individual to develop their own riding style which is good and along as it's safe, it doesn't have to be as the Police do. I hang off occasionally for example, something they never ever do!  But the majority of my advanced training as an example, has been under the Police and so I am only too aware that this does affect your riding.

But no, I don't think that's a bad thing at all.                                                                                                                                                                              

…. the advantage of knowing exactly what causes motorcycle accidents and are able to tailor training accordingly. So, although it is possible that it makes you ride like a copper in some ways, it doesn't in many others… Good stuff. Just what I needed to read as I’ve a planned ride-out with mental mates tomorrow (that I've been avoiding for the last year lol)!                                                                                                                                                                              

big shnogs for ronnie,,lol,,, yay well done xx                                                                                                                                                                             

shnogs! lol. Thanks boody xx                                                                                                                                                                              

Congrats & Well done                                                                                                                                                                              

Thanks Holmfirthgirl                                                                                                                                                                              

  Congrats on the pass Ronnie, I'm not sure that mental mates will be a help in keeping you alive while riding lol, safe journeys.                                                                                                                                                                              

Thanks Sandi. Actually I was out today as planned at the bike show at Wells-next-to-Sea. Even in the rain with mental overtakes I had no worries (for how long I don’t know lol). Safe journeys, Ronnie                                                                                                                                                                              

Weepio, they are good vids, very instructional.   ROSPA or IAM? I considered both after doing a bikesafe course. Hear some less than glowing things about ROSPA so chose IAM.   No regrets, like you, was tested by a Class 1 Police Motorcyclist and passed the standard. ROSPA is no different other than they grade a test and you take it every 3 years. Why? Bad habits forming etc...well if you keep in with the IAM crowd (observer training, group rides etc) then this is unlikely. So for me, IAM is the better option.                                                                                                                                                                                 

I like the fact you have to retake (and pass) your test every 3 years with RoSPA. I agree with what you are saying though about keeping in with crowd (be that RoSPA or IAM) and retaining your skills.     What I don't think is right with the IAM though is being able to pass your test and as long as you pay your fee every year you are entitled to officially call yourself an advanced rider/driver (motorist) and avail yourself of the insurance discounts. Even though it was 57 years ago when you passed your test and now you're a menace on the roads!                                                                                                                                                                              

Hi Roachy, why do you like the fact that you have to retake (and pass) your test every three years with ROSPA?   IMHO, a test is a certificate of competence (of sorts) - it is realistic to expect that eventhough we age and get a bit muddled, if we are trained correctly we will improve with experience i.e. become more fluent, smoother, anticipate etc (that's my experience in every aspect of life); we may get a few bad habits, so what.   A test is fairly academic until the time comes when we are dangerous. As a biker I hope we know when that day comes...sliding arse bumping along the A5 with an artic coming the opposite direction..and not knowing why we are sliding etc   I don't believe IAM bikers sit on their machine, pay the annual fee of £29.xx and do so to obtain the discounts (because those discounts don't exist - there is always cheaper).   Passing your test is the start not the end                                                                                                                                                                             

You don't need to pass any test to do the training and actually be an advanced rider though do you?
  At the end of the day it's only a label but if it's a label you wish to offically have then I prefer the RoSPA way as it ensures the standard is maintained.                                                                                                                                                                              

To do advanced training you need to become an associate (unless you do it privately). You can take as long as you like to prepare for the test.   Good luck with RoSPA.