nice one guiness rider thanks for htat chick 

 - il be riding up and back home on same day.... 
 
just getting meself geared up for an 8.30am leave 

 that is half way into the night in my world 

 bt me got no choice as will take over hour to get there 
 
what route you taking Paulxxx?? a few of us could ride up together from this area?